July 1, 2020
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8mMmJ17n3Q
Ray’s 6 minutes begin at minute 3:20, but the intro is also interesting.
Ray’s article exposing/describing the “Archdeacon of Flat Fact” was published a couple of hours before the interview: https://consortiumnews.com/2020/07/01/ray-mcgovern-new-york-times-deploys-heavy-gun-to-back-intel-on-russian-bounties/