On June 10, Watters found herself standing in line at Barnes & Noble, Union Square, facing the hard choice as to whether Hillary Clinton’s “Hard Choices” was worth spending good money on. She (Catherine, not Hillary) talked to Ray on cell and ended up inviting him to be interviewed that evening.
Ray’s segment of the interview begins at minute 1:31:50. The first 23 min. focuses on what happened to Ray when he witnessed nonviolently three years ago at a Hillary Clinton speech, turning his back on her as she spoke passionately in defense of dissidents. For those who missed the democracynow 5-min report on this, please see:
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/18/ex_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_beaten
The rest of the discursive interview (1:54:55 – 2:10:25) deals initially with 9/11, then moves to issues like what to do about the situation of tone-deaf fellow citizens (all too reminiscent of Germany of the Thirties) too busy/distracted to notice (or care about) what is being done to them. We ran out of time before I could quote Mario Savio at Berkeley 50 years ago:
“There comes a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious, makes you so sick at heart, that you can’t take part, you can’t even passively take part; and you’ve got to put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon all the apparatus, and you’ve got to make it stop, And you’ve got to indicate to the people who run it, the people who own it, that unless you’re free the machine will be prevented from working at all.”