Zain Raza of activism Munich e. V. interviewed Ray in Berlin in late 2014. They discussed the Bush/Cheney program of systematic torture; the complicity of over 50 European governments in enabling kidnapping and secret prisons; why President Obama is afraid to take on the CIA and NSA, etc., etc., etc.; Edward Snowden; and history’s lessons regarding what happens when there are not enough activists to expose government crimes.
(13 minutes)
http://www.actvism.org/en/news/interview-former-cia-analyst-ray-mcgovern/