Trump Serious About Torture: Ready to Outdo Bush

Radio Sputnik’s Brian Becker of “Loud and Clear” interviewed Ray yesterday right after reports of an “I-Donald J. Trump-am-tougher-than-George W. Bush-on-torture” draft executive order hit the media.  Actually, the formal title atop the (apparently leaked) draft is:  “Executive Order – Detention and Interrogation of Enemy Combatants.”

https://sputniknews.com/radio_loud_and_clear/201701261050014600-trump-bringing-back-bushs-black-site-torture-program/

(Brian Becker interviews Ray between minute 1:40 and 18:30)

 

Becker recorded the interview at 3:00 yesterday before Trump’s remark to ABC that torture “works” hit the news.  (“Loud and Clear” aired very early this morning Washington time.)  17 minutes gave Ray time enough to fit in a lot of background from memory.  He misspoke saying “Bruce” Ackerman, instead of the Guardian’s Spencer Ackerman, but did connect “Ackerman” to the Guardian.

 

Ray hopes folks will download part three of Ackerman’s four-part unique reporting based on interviews with Senate Intelligence Committee chair Dianne Feinstein’s chief investigator, Daniel Jones.  See:  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/10/cia-senate-investigation-constitutional-crisis-daniel-jones

 

And so, with “tough guys” Bush and Cheney not held accountable for torture and Obama putty in the hands of John Brennan, the stage is set for a “tougher-even-than” guy – President Trump, heir to that undisciplined bullying and craven timidity, to do what he told us he’d do during the Republican primary debate on February 6, 2016:

 

“I would bring back waterboarding … and a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding.”

Ray Was Face-to-Face With Adam Schiff, ranking member, House Intelligence Committee, this morning – January 25, 2017

https://www.c-span.org/video/?422656-1/representative-adam-schiff-discusses-russian-electionyear-hacking

(Segment with Ray and Schiff is from minute 1:14:25 to 1:16:20.)

 

The official Q and A after a panel on “Russian Hacking and U.S. Elections” was greatly shortened this morning at Mrs. Clinton’s most enthusiastic supporter/think tank, the Center for American Progress, so Ray did not get to ask a question during the Q and A.  (The Center, founded by John Podesta and now led by Neera Tanden, has been going all out to blame Mrs. Clinton’s defeat on Russian President Putin, James Comey – anyone but their too-clever-by-half campaign.)

 

But the camera was still running after the formal session and caught Ray asking Adam Schiff, D, California, whether he is claiming he knows more than Obama about the gaping evidence-gap between Russian hacking and WikiLeaks.  Ray referred Schiff to then-President Obama’s words at his last press conference exactly a week ago:

 

“… the conclusions of the intelligence community with respect to the Russian hacking were not conclusive” regarding WikiLeaks.  In other words, the intelligence community has no idea how the DNC emails reached WikiLeaks.  (See: https://consortiumnews.com/2017/01/20/obama-admits-gap-in-russian-hack-case/ )

 

The gravitas displayed at the panel discussion gave superficiality a bad name.  The c-span video is probably worth skimming through, if only for that.  But Ray’s two minutes with Schiff may be worth a fast-forward.

Veteran American journalist and Russia specialist Mark Ames wonders why President Vladimir Putin and other Russians are not angrier at the U.S. than they seem to be, given what Bill Clinton, Wall Street, and Harvard advisers did to take advantage of drunken president Boris Yeltsin and predator oligarchs to hobble the Russian economy and make the very life-span of Russia’s 99 percent much shorter.

 Ames knows whereof he speaks.  He spent a decade reporting from Yeltsin’ and Putin’s Russia, witnessing its transformation from an American “colony” to it’s “number one threat.”  Brava to Telesur’s Abby Martin and Mark Ames for filling in the blanks regarding a critical period in U.S.-Russia relations, about which few Americans are aware.

 

Published on January 23, 2017 (27 minutes)

Ames explains how deeply the US government, along with Western capitalist institutions, cheered, shaped and exploited the Russia after the fall of the Soviet Union, paving the way for the political system they all condemn today.  Everyone can profit from hearing some real history of the immediate post-Soviet period and the U.S. role in it.  Ames was there and on the money – so to speak.

Ray uncovered the 2-minute YouTube video linked below while preparing to speak on panel arranged by the Green Party on January 21 in Washington DC. The other panelists were Sue Udry, Executive Director of the Bill of Rights Defense Committee, and Green Party activist George Friday.  Topic: “Civil Liberties & the Security/Surveillance State.  Introducing the short video, Ray offered it as an example of what we are up against.

Here is a link to 2-minute video showing former House Intelligence Committee chair Pete Hoekstra and Ray in heated argument over CIA torture, which Hoekstra knew about, supported, and continues to support.

 

Thanks to a very helpful – but apparently not widely known to raymcgovern.com readers – modality called a SEARCH button on his site, Ray readily found and used the YouTube segment showing former Congressman Pete Hoekstra, R, Michigan in spirited discussion with Ray two years ago, just after the Senate Intelligence Committee investigation released an Executive Summary of the results of its 4-year investigation on CIA torture.  {The investigation was based on original CIA documents from headquarters and the field.  While the executive summary was heavily redacted, the scent of blood does not escape its pages, which include sickening detail on the heinous torture practices “approved” – “rectal hydration,” for example.)

 

Former Vice President Dick Cheney, Department of Justice “lawyers,” and the chairs of the congressional intelligence “oversight” committees (Hoekstra headed the one in the House) all strongly backed “enhanced interrogation techniques” (aka torture – like waterboarding).  Hoekstra, admitted to having been briefed in detail at the time, and sings the praises of the CIA torturers, whom he describes as “heroes.” Ray, in his typically understated way, demurs.

Obama Admits Gap in Russian ‘Hack’ Case

By Ray McGovern, January 20, 2017

Obama Admits Gap in Russian ‘Hack’ Case

NOTE: Alexander Mercouris, Editor of The Duran draws similar conclusions from what Obama said about the missing link to WikiLeaks.  Mercouris includes the long list of inferences and other evidence, and draws on VIPS’ earlier work on the conundrums that continue to linger.  His meticulous analysis includes additional background detail – it is well worth reading.  Below is the title and the link:

Obama implies US intelligence community ‘doesn’t know’ how WikiLeaks obtained DNC and Podesta emails

By Alexander Mercouris (Editor-in-Chief, The Duran)

http://theduran.com/obama-us-intelligence-dnc-podesta-emails-wikileaks-no-information-upon/

 

Ray addressed Trump’s bully-pulpit performance Wednesday and related issues in wide-ranging interview with Loud and Clear.

Wednesday, January 11, was a full day for Ray (more on that below*).  But the highlight was a hour-long impromptu interview with Radio Sputnik’s “Loud and Clear” host Brian Becker and Ted Rall that was taped immediately after Donald Trump gave new meaning to the term “bully pulpit” at his first press conference as President-elect.

 

The Sputnik interview covered a lot of ground – including comments on several front-burner issues that Ray had wanted (but did not have the time) to write about.  It is Ray’s favorite interview of the dozen so far this year (live links to some of which are posted below).

https://sputniknews.com/radio_loud_and_clear/201701121049500452-behind-the-cias-covert-ops-against-trump/

 

It was the first time Ray can recall being bleeped – twice – for trying to say “wild-ass,” as in the not-very-sophisticated analytical tool we used to call “the SWAG Factor” – for Scientific Wild-Ass Guess – a tool upon which some intelligence analysts based their conclusions when evidence available was sparse, or nonexistent.  He also took the opportunity to add to the reasons why there is no love lost between Trump and CNN, by trying to reproduce Christiane Amanpour’s manner in expressing shock that some folks have trouble believing what CNN publishes based on briefings from a government that never lies.

 

But seriously, a full hour allows for wide-ranging discussion and Ray was particularly happy to have a chance to vent upon returning, saddened, from his 15th annual noontime demonstration against Guantanamo.

 

Besides the topic of the day – the towering Trump Trump-Towers press conference – Ray was able to touch on:

 

-The history of CIA Director John Brennan’s hold on Obama; and the jeopardy Brennan fears when he and National Intelligence Director James Clapper are required to say “We’re outa here;”

 

-The bizarrely transparent, “bipartisan” cum media effort to discredit Trump;

 

-Prospects for a possible “reset” in relations with Russia;

 

-The curious calls to “retaliate” for the “act of war” represented by “Russian hacking” (stated as flat fact);

 

-Egregious behavior by the media reminiscent of the role they played in beating the drums for attacking Iraq;

 

-The role played by the NY Times David Sanger, in particular, as stenographer for the White House – both before Iraq and now regarding Putin and his many sins.  Why did the NYT hacking experts avoid contacting former UK Ambassador Craig Murray, who has said publically that he knows the source AND that WikiLeaks’ DNC and Podesta disclosures were from a LEAK not a HACK – and that Russia played no role?

 

-The incestuous relationship going back decades between the CIA and “mainstream media;”

 

-The dubious credibility of anything that comes out of Britain’s CIA – MI6 – which plays all kinds of support roles for bellicose U.S. officials, as was the case in helping Cheney foster stories about yellowcake uranium from Niger to Iraq, later proven to be “not authentic.”

 

-The dangers to the Washington Establishment if Trump’s overtures to Russia are not nipped in the bud, and how strongly the Military-Industrial-Congressional-Media-Deep State Complex will try to prevent peace from breaking out.

 

Ray hopes that, if you like a martinus, pour one, relax, and enjoy what turned out to be a fun interview for otherwise pretty dark times.

 

* Ray’s Wednesday began, as usual, watching democracynow.org live; then a live radio interview (by telephone) with Frank Morano in NY City (970 AM) during morning rush hour; then a quick article for posting on opednews.com — http://www.opednews.com/articles/Brennan-Increasingly-Despe-by-Ray-McGovern-CIA_Cia-Director-John-Brennan_Evidence_Intelligence-170111-195.html — as well as here on raymcgovern.com; then a drive downtown to the demonstration against Guantanamo (with, fortuitously, Trump’s performance live on the car radio); then Sputnik interview (above); then remote video interview for Aljazeera news program; finishing with an interview on RT International. A full schedule not that unusual over these past several weeks.