McGovern Confronts Clapper, Suspects Brennan, Defends Assange

November 20, 2018, 57 minutes (can skip the first 3)
https://www.peterbcollins.com/2018/11/20/in-depth-interview-ex-cia-analyst-ray-mcgovern-confronts-clapper-suspects-brennan-defends-assange/#more-18239

Ray enjoys sharing views with knowledgeable interviewers like Peter B. Collins.  They can cover some humorless issues in a relaxed, at times, humorous fashion.